THE ULTIMATE DIY HANDBOOK
Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Mass Drip system for 20 aquariums

  1. #1
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like

    Mass Drip system for 20 aquariums

    I am going to be building a massive drip system for my friend who imports Discus and Black Diamond Stingrays from Malaysia. He needs a system to allow constant water changes because the Discus and Rays that come from Malaysia are not use to this hard water in Canada. I almost got all the parts need to build this system and I will post progress of this build.

  2. #2
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    This is what I am up against
    IMG_5391.jpgIMG_5386.jpgIMG_5390.jpgIMG_5385.jpgIMG_5383.jpgIMG_5382.jpgIMG_5381.jpgIMG_5378.jpgIMG_5377.jpgClick here to enlargeIMG_5380.jpg

    All he has left are the 4 Stingrays he is keeping for now. Otherwise all the aquariums are ready for this drip system setup.

  3. #3
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I got most of my parts ready to go. I had to go to a plan B because of the cost of Polyurethane line so I figured out a solution of running secondary manifolds instead of running over 500' of hose.


    20161202_220127.jpg


    I couldn't find a proper fitting for a 3/4" Tee for splicing into the main water supply all I could find was a 1/2" setup so I made one. I decided that I wanted to keep the price down so I decided to eliminate the use of crimped PEX fittings and went with a press on barb fitting. I ran it into a Tee fitting 3/4" FNPT and had the other fitting as a 3/4" barb fitting. The city water here wouldn't exceed 60 psi and that is before it goes through the main water pressure reducer. I will run a gear hose clamp with 3/4" line up to the main manifold before I begin to reduce the sizing.


    20161202_220117.jpg


    This is the gate valve to open a close off the drip system. I did a direct mount to the Watts water pressure regulator with a 3/4" union fitting and had the outlet with a 3/4" PEX fitting. I will have to adjust the pressure once I prime the system up to bring it down to around 20 psi.


    20161202_220101.jpg


    This is the smaller manifold I built to eliminate the need for so much hosing. The cost is cheaper and you can control the flow amount with a mini ball valve.

  4. #4
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I was able to prep most of the fittings today and get the secondary manifold built. I am running a second manifold because it will save running a lot of hose and of course money.

    20161203_134833.jpg

    I got my oldest son to help me prep but he was more interested in stacking the fittings like a tower.

    20161203_215905.jpg

    These are going to be the reducers I had to build. I couldn't find anywhere that had a 1/2" PEX fitting to a 3/16" barb fitting so I had to run a bushing in between the two fittings. I sealed it with teflon tape and some pipe dope. Once it cures it will create a good seal and it may be overkill for pressure but this system will never see anything over City water pressure of up to 80 psi.

    20161203_215919.jpg

    I am running to mechanical gauges for this system before the main manifold. One will read the incoming pressure of the city water and the other one will read what the output regulated pressure is. These gauges are a back loaded and that way I can mount them onto the board I am making. Anything over 160 psi wouldn't work since we are dealing with low pressures. I did consider running a transducer in this system but figured I would keep it a little more simple with the mechanical gauges.

    20161203_220423.jpg

    These are 2 of the secondary manifolds based on how the aquariums are situated. The one manifold is for 4 aquariums while the other is for 12. You have to keep in mind you need to run a valve on the output side because hydraulics are just like electrical. It will take the path of least resistance and if it is all free flowing the farthest port will not receive as much flow as the closest one to the supply side. I'll have to play a bit with the mini ball valves until I can get the flow rate I want over a 24 hour period.

    20161202_220117.jpg

    I am going to revisit this to help reduce the amount of Tee fittings in the line with the 2 gauges I will be installing.

    20161202_220127.jpg

    I will also revisit this as well to make a main cut off from the main supply

  5. #5
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I finished off setting up the main drip system manifold, it is an apollo manifold. They come in different port sizes from 12 up to 36 my local store only carried the 12 port so that is what I went with. The setup can be used for hot and cold water systems but I am going to use it for just cold and run a Tee so that it will be used on both sides. The main inlets are a 3/4" and the outlet ports are all run by a ball valve and 1/2" PEX fittings.

    20161204_174725.jpg

    There is no need for Teflon or pipe dope because they have a seal inside like a o-ring

    20161204_183259.jpg

    This secondary manifold is a little different due to the fact that I am trying to get use out of all 6 ports on the manifold and there is only 6 aquariums in that area.

    20161205_222825.jpg

    I did revisit the main connection from the supply line and put a quick shut off valve that was a ball valve before entering the panel I am going to make.

    20161205_222807.jpg

    I wanted to have less cuts in the lines so I connected all the Tees in this setup to the gate valve and pressure regulator. The incoming line has a Tee that will go to the first pressure gauge. The outlet side has 2 ports that will go to the main PEX manifold and the 1/2" barb fitting will be for the other pressure gauge.

    20161205_222658.jpg

    I hope to have this 4x8 sheet of birch plywood cut up tomorrow so I can create the panel for the plumbing side of this project. Only thing is that it is so cold right now and I will have to turn my garage heater on so I can cut up this sheet.

    20161130_170137_3.jpg

  6. #6
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I got the pieces down to the size I needed them to be 30"x 30" I ran into a bit of a snag since the table saw I was using only went to 25" so my helper and I went to a plan B

    20161206_122327.jpg

    I was able to cut length wise on the 4'x8' sheet I cut off two 9" pieces for the side and for the secondary manifolds. I ended up free hand cutting the 30" sheets I needed. I clamped down the sheet and used a piece for a guide on the circular saw.

    20161206_125626.jpg

    I got all the pieces to spec so now I will begin the assembly of the main drip system panel

    20161206_133258.jpg

  7. #7
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I picked up some extra hardware for the panel cabinet today I didn't get much more done but I should be able to get these installed soon. I got 4 to handle the weight and not cause stress on 2 hinges.

    20161207_221303.jpg

  8. #8
    DIYFK member Warfie's Avatar


    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Fort Collins, CO
    Posts
    71
    Post Thanks / Like
    Excellent job! But... I'm having trouble understanding how water changes, of any amount, help with hard water???

  9. #9
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    It will cycle the water through the aquariums and down to the sump and out that way. I'll have to fine tune it to figure out how much needs to be changed in a 24 hour period

  10. #10
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Didn't get a whole lot done today but I got some of the frame mounts prepped for later on. I got a drill bit to countersink a hold to allow the european handles to sit flush with the panel/cabinet. The board is 3/4" thick and I drilled 1/2" to make it work I used the drill bit as my guide since it was a 1/2"

    20161208_215314.jpg

    Had to constantly remove excess wood build up to allow for the bit to keep drilling.

    20161208_215318.jpg

    Just had to make sure it sat flush so the side panel could fit

    20161208_215327.jpg

    Making sure there isn't any overhang with the hinge in place

    20161208_215343.jpg

    I put 4 hinges in place to make sure the weight could be held and had the heavier duty ones on the top and bottom with the medium duty ones on the inside. May be over kill but i'd rather be safe then sorry!

    20161208_215750.jpg

  11. #11
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I was quite busy today but I got a bit done for the main manifold. I started with the mounting the european hinges by bolting them down


    20161209_202958.jpg


    I made sure to predrill and counter sink all the holes so I didn't crack the aspen plywood


    20161209_203006.jpg


    I glued it as well as used wood screws to make sure this was tight and not flimsy

    20161209_204702.jpg
    20161209_204657.jpg
    I wanted to make sure the cabinet would open and close with no issues. The brackets can go to 100 degrees which allows it to move past the square angle of 90 degrees


    20161209_204900.jpg
    20161209_204853.jpg


    I then mounted the main panel plate


    20161209_211148.jpg


    and also made sure that it had no issues with the weight


    20161209_211322.jpg


    I then drilled holes for the manifold and just used cap screws with a lock washer and nut on the other side


    20161209_212800.jpg


    I called it a night after mounting the main manifold. Don't think I will get much done this weekend because I got to get caught up on my water changes!


    20161209_212825.jpg

  12. #12
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Was able to do some drilling today this is what I was able to get done

    20161210_134138_1.jpg

    20161211_004420_1.jpg

    20161211_004427.jpg

    20161211_004436.jpg

    I will have to rotor this out a bit since I can't fit a gauge bracket in their properly

    20161211_004447.jpg

  13. #13
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Been busy the last few days so I have been running around and getting odds and ends as well as prepping the main drip system panel board. I had a bit of a set back but it hasn't really delayed me in trying to get this project done sooner rather than later.

    20161211_122321.jpg
    Put down some metal strips for these magnets
    20161211_122325.jpg
    holds quite well and I installed a handle to make opening and closing much more easier
    20161211_122436.jpg
    Now that I had the small stuff done I focused on the gauges and the back mount brackets.
    20161212_161332.jpg
    This is a great bracket the only thing is the gauges I had didn't have slots to allow the tangs to fit in place so I tested one that was broken anyways to see how much metal was in the area I was about to die grind down.
    20161212_161345.jpg
    I can see that there was enough metal to allow me to grind down to mount the bracket so I went ahead with the good gauge. This is what happened.
    20161212_161822.jpg
    I didn't cut through it but rather the bracket punched a hole through the gauge so it was back to the vendor to find the right gauge to fit the right application

  14. #14
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I got all the 1/2" lines mocked up and ready
    20161213_010532.jpg
    I got almost all the lines to have their brackets behind the PEX manifold I had a few on the outside of the manifold
    20161213_010538.jpg
    I went with U bolts instead of P clamps to mount the regulator and gate valve it is much more secure
    20161214_142604.jpg
    20161214_142612.jpg
    I will have to trim down the bolts and maybe use Acorn nuts to make it more appealing.
    20161214_142640.jpg
    I got the right gauges for the right job this time
    20161215_130444.jpg
    20161215_130457.jpg

  15. #15
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I was a little over eager to get this project moving and I decided to take the roller bearing on the router bit off to make my groove for the gauge. The reason why I did that is because I had ordered 50 bits at my local store and they were supposed to ship it overnight but it didn't happen so I will probably get them on Monday. This is the result of me not waiting until Monday.

    20161215_193109.jpg
    I used the mounting gauge plate as guide as to how much I need to remove on the side of the panel

    20161215_194237.jpg
    It is now a step down because the shaft that the bearing sat on held it back from being able to complete the task Doh!

    20161215_194248.jpg
    Still need to take some off the edge to allow the gauge plate to fit correctly

    I figured if that had to wait that I would start to sand and stain pieces and be productive. I sanded it down to 240 grit and began staining
    This is prestained with a coat to allow the stain to penetrate evenly
    20161215_205600.jpg

    This what it looks like after the first coat

    20161215_210503.jpg

  16. #16
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Well I got a phone call today to tell me my router bits had arrived early so I picked them up before work so I could get the rest of the prep work done

    20161216_134257.jpg

    When I got home I wanted to get one of the gauge holes completed and with the proper bit I can finish the main board off.
    20161217_004402.jpg
    20161217_004300.jpg
    20161217_004307.jpg

  17. #17
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Well I have been up to the details of the main board and this is what I have been able to do in the last few days.

    I routed out both sides of the board to prevent pinching of the lines
    20161217_113717.jpg
    I know that there was a couple of pieces of wood that chipped off but this is on the back side not seen
    20161217_113721.jpg
    20161217_115628.jpg
    I notched out a small section to allow the regulator and shut off valve to sit flush with the board making it more stable.
    20161217_113733.jpg
    20161217_113755.jpg
    I went through with a flapper wheel to really smooth out any edges on the holes
    20161219_111603.jpg
    I was able to cut the extra length of the U bolt to be flush. However I may still go with the acorn nuts to make it look a bit better.
    20161219_112652.jpg
    This is where the steady hand had to come in. No caffeine before doing this set, I wood burned all the labels to make things more user friendly
    20161219_114223.jpg
    20161219_115939.jpg

    I just need to go over the board one last time with a good sanding then I will begin to stain the main board/panel and reassemble it for the install at my friends house. Then I can work on the secondary panels

  18. #18
    DIYFK member Meep's Avatar


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Planet Earth
    Posts
    2,731
    Post Thanks / Like
    You can't hotlink the photos from another forum as they don't show up here, you need host them on a neutral hosting site or re-up them here...

  19. #19
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Began staining the main panel today but I had to get a few parts because I miscalculated the WP from the city water before it gets to the second regulator I am putting in series. I bought some polyurethane that had a ID of 7/16" to fit the PEX fitting but when I realized that the max PSI was 38 PSI I realized this wasn't going to work. I went and got a larger sized barb fitting for the gauges so I could run a food grade reinforced hose at 1/2" with a WP of 200 PSI which is over double what the city water supplies. Anything after the regulator of 20 PSI is not an issue. This is the chart I went by from the hose supplier here in town.
    20161220_165342.jpg
    With this system I am running 3 different sizes 3/4" 5/8" and 1/2" with temperature ratings of -5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit) as the ID gets larger the pressure rating goes down but at 150 PSI at 3/4" its safe to say the hose will not burst

    I prestained the panel before work today
    20161220_125609.jpg

    once I got home tonight I did the first stain. I hope to have the second one done tomorrow morning so I can sand it down and begin the final assembly

    20161221_000122.jpg

    On a side note I ordered a diamond drill bit through amazon (45mm) back in October and it was lost in the mail and they refunded me but it arrived today after 2 months. I got some other bits in the mean time but at least I will have a couple bits to work with once we begin the drainage side of the system.

  20. #20
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I got the panel done tonight just had a few hiccups but I got them figured out and now its ready to install. I can now work on the secondary panels now


    These lines are good for 200psi
    20161221_211415.jpg
    Went with the acorn nuts for a better look on the finish
    20161221_211426.jpg
    My mistake for not taking a pic before I took it apart. This took me an hour to figure out my plumbing and brackets!
    20161221_220942.jpg
    Figured out and installed
    20161222_210117.jpg
    Plumbing all done on the back panel
    20161222_212118.jpg
    Completed on the front side
    20161222_213345.jpg
    20161222_213351.jpg
    20161222_213416.jpg

  21. #21
    DIYFK member Meep's Avatar


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Planet Earth
    Posts
    2,731
    Post Thanks / Like
    If you take a hair dryer to the vinyl hoses where they take a tight bend into the plywood, the hose will relax and accept the new shape and not be 'kinked'...

  22. #22
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I have a heater I use for heat shrink. I may run it on some parts, I ran air through the all the lines prior to hooking them up to the main manifold. It is going from a 1/2"ID to a 3/16" ID and the flow isn't going to build big pressure.

  23. #23
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Dropped the panel off on Saturday and will install it on Wednesday. In the mean time I finished prepping the other panels for the secondary manifolds.

    20161226_112642.jpg

    Now I can focus on the sawdust clean up!

    20161226_112658_1.jpg

    The stuff in that box are for my own project I plan to set up for my fish room!

    20161226_112703.jpg

    I had been looking around for a good low flow meter to take the guess work out of how much water is being used on a 24hr period and I found this to be the best selection with a 1/4 hookup

    http://www.tds-mall.com/_p/prd1/2103...-4-or-3-8-inch

  24. #24
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Just finished putting together the secondary panels I hope to get most of the install done tomorrow night at my friends house.

    20161228_010419.jpg
    20161228_010425.jpg
    20161228_010435.jpg

  25. #25
    DIYFK member Cichlids's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Well I was able to get the main panel up and was it ever a pain to get right. I thought by bolting up the back panel first then connecting the brackets it would be easier. Turns out that wasn't the case. The next idea was to unbolt the brackets from the backboard and connect the arms to the main board. Well it looked promising until the gap between the 2 boards was massive at the top and small at the bottom. I said forget it and took the main and back boards off and reassembled it on the floor and bolted the back board up and it worked. I wish I had done that in the first place to begin with!

    I went every 6" apart for more support. This is how I was able to calculate the board weight and what the brackets could hold

    Width " height " 144 = sq/ft
    30" x 30 " 144 = 6.25 sq/ft
    27.5 " 9" 144 = ~ 1.75 sq/ft x 2 = 3.5 sq/ft
    30 " 9" 144 x 2 = 3.5 sq/ft

    3.5 + 3.5 + 6.25 = 13.25 sq/ft @ 3/4" 2.5 (weight factor per sq/ft) = ~ 33.5 lbs

    If we add the back panel to the overall weight then

    30" 30" 144 = 6.25 sq/ft 2.5 = 15.75 lbs

    15.75 lbs + 33.5 lbs = 49.25 lbs

    We could say all the extra fittings and valves come to 10 lbs which brings us to around 60 lbs now the chart recommends for 60 lbs you run around 4. I ran them ~ 5 to 5 1/2" apart to space out the load.

    20161229_201903.jpg

    Counter sank and predrilled the holes a little smaller for the wood screws I used 2 1/2" long ones

    20161229_202624.jpg

    Board and panel finally together just had to move his gate valve (bottom right) over a tad to allow for opening and closing of the panel door

    20161229_211743.jpg

    Put the other auxiliary panel on the back side of his one row of aquariums the lighting is a tad dark didn't want to freak out his stock

    20161229_213707.jpg
    20161229_213742.jpg

    Now we just have to put the other 2 panels up and plumb the system then it is off to drilling holes in the sump for the drain. He was thankful for the time but I was more thankful because I got to view all this inventory from his last shipment and this is what the system will be used for.
    20161229_213759.jpg
    20161229_213936.jpg
    20161229_214019.jpg
    20161229_214032.jpg
    20161229_214100.jpg
    20161229_214158.jpg
    20161229_214221.jpg
    20161229_214225.jpg
    20161229_214318.jpg
    20161229_214457.jpg
    20161229_214826.jpg
    20161229_214849.jpg

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •